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Apple Waiting on 802.11n to Deliver iTV?

Apple CEO Steve Jobs broke tradition on Tuesday when he discussed an upcoming product, code-named iTV, months before its release, leading some to speculate why it isn't ready now. After all, it was on display after the event at Yerba Buena Gardens, although no information was given out beyond the basic specs Mr. Jobs covered during his presentation. Daniel Eran, writing for his blog, Roughly Drafted, believes Apple is waiting on 802.11n wireless networking technology before it can deliver iTV.

Why? Because the existing 802.11g standard can handle audio well but doesn't provide a large enough wireless pipe to effectively stream digital video. "In order to stream movies around, users will want at least 100 mbit/s Fast Ethernet speeds," Mr. Eran wrote. 802.11n can deliver speeds beyond that, but the standard hasn't been finalized, despite the fact that some companies are selling "pre-n" equipment now.

In addition, Sony, for example, has technology called LocationFree that wirelessly sends TV video to a computer, but, as Mr. Eran pointed out, the company has to limit the bit rate to 300kb per second, which is "a lower bandwidth threshold than the typical iTMS TV programming Apple was selling ... Yesterday's announcement to boost Apple's iTMS video quality into 'near DVD-quality' with Dolby surround audio means that Apple is now pushing beyond what the iPod displays natively into a higher quality model that brings Apple into the home theater arena."

And while some people have derided Apple's bump to 640 x 480 resolution on its video content in light of how it will look on an HDTV set, Mr. Eran noted: "If all the iTV could do was 640 x 480 iTMS video, Apple would have simply used a VGA adapter or super video connector, just like the existing iPod dock. It is quite obviously designed to play HD content. Apple even demonstrated the iTV playing back HD content."

He concluded by musing: "It would be smart for Apple to encourage electronics manufacturers to support a standard control protocol for wirelessly sharing and advertising their content via Bonjour and Front Row, just as Apple got printer manufacturers to support automatic discovery using Bonjour.

"Imagine home theater components, from TVs and stereos to cable boxes, which all listened for instructions from a Front Row device like the iTV, and could be automated to turn on, record programming, change channels, browse and play stored content using a slick iTV device and a single remote as simple as Apple's."

Thanks to MacDailyNews for the heads-up.

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Biff said:

member since 08 Apr 2004 with 1479 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

I'm VERY interested to see how they deal with home theater integration because that is the bane of set top boxes. It will be interesting to see if this is meant to be the central control point for the living room or not. IR blasters anyone?

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Tommo_UK said:

member since 16 Mar 2005 with 23992 posts, TMO Mac Specialist, send him a message or view his profile

Yes nice call on his part. But on the Apple Finance Board at The Mac Observer, we've been saying for about a year that Apple would wait for 802.11n to be finalised before releasing an AV-enabled Airport Express-like device

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nealg said:

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Tommo_UK wrote:
Yes nice call on his part. But on the Apple Finance Board at The Mac Observer, we've been saying for about a year that Apple would wait for 802.11n to be finalised before releasing an AV-enabled Airport Express-like device

Keep up to date on AAPL, and Apple announcements likely to move the stock, at:

http://www.macobserver.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=7

Are there any ideas on when 802.11n will be finalized? If it is done soon, would it be possible for Apple to get iTV out before the holiday season is over?

Neal

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dhp said:

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Everyone so hyped on this product getting out sooner than Jobs stated is forgetting one important piece of the puzzle: Your Mac can't do 802.11n either. Who knows if existing iMacs, minis, or MacBooks will *ever* be able to do 802.11n? Maybe with an ethernet bridge.

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Brutno said:

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To dhp-

"In order to stream movies around, users will want at least 100 mbit/s Fast Ethernet speeds."

My aging B/W G3 has 100 baseT but a slow system bus. All current Macs have 1000 BaseT and at least a 667 mhz. frontside bus. A Mini, MacBook or iMac could be equipped with an 802.11n card, theoretically, perhaps not without difficulty and cost. The ethernet bridge idea should also work - just not as elegantly.

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Websnap said:

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nealg wrote:
Tommo_UK wrote:
Yes nice call on his part. But on the Apple Finance Board at The Mac Observer, we've been saying for about a year that Apple would wait for 802.11n to be finalised before releasing an AV-enabled Airport Express-like device

Keep up to date on AAPL, and Apple announcements likely to move the stock, at:

http://www.macobserver.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=7

Are there any ideas on when 802.11n will be finalized? If it is done soon, would it be possible for Apple to get iTV out before the holiday season is over?

Neal

my understanding was that 802.11n wouldn't be finalized by somewhere between July 2007 to April 2008. I think if they are going the ".11n" route and they are still aiming for 1Q 07, it will be a "pre-n" or something else we're not seeing. However, as always, Apple does have an inside track that is WAY more in the know than I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11#802.11n

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Intruder said:

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dhp wrote:
Everyone so hyped on this product getting out sooner than Jobs stated is forgetting one important piece of the puzzle: Your Mac can't do 802.11n either. Who knows if existing iMacs, minis, or MacBooks will *ever* be able to do 802.11n? Maybe with an ethernet bridge.

I agree (stated the same concern in another post, in fact).

The only way I see that it can work with current hardware is to make the iTV (or whatever it will eventually be called) a two-piece item, with a paired USB2 dongle on the computer side. Then Apple can use whatever protocol they wish.

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